kasia in a nutshell

I have to say, some of those aren't very encouraging. especially 6. :(

Yeah, four more years of miserable whiney liberals engaging in nasty, venomous attacks no matter how false, illogical, or stupid they are. Why don't you all have the fortitude to go live in Alecbaldwinia and stop trying to change our country from how we like it (that means kasia, go back to Poland - if you're so miserable here).

- Jon Stewart is for pseudo-intellectuals.
- Kerry's state of the union speeches would be sooo boring, pandering, conceited, pompous.
- The economy has been doing quite fine for quite a while now. But smug know-it-all ignoramuses rely on Jon Stewart's show for their news. Most artists are "supported" by involuntary taxes levied on Republicans.
- Go talk to Democrat Marc Andreesen about sending jobs overseas.
- The Internet is NOT yours. People actually try to make money with it now.

Yeah, thank goodness for the other Internets which GWB uses to run his private logging company!

At least GWB didn't flat out lie and say he INVENTED the Internet, like a liberal Democrat did.

I sense hostility

Indeed... hostility. And why? It doesn't solve anything...

Did you all know that the world population was mostly in favor of Kerry, and against Bush? I heard about a poll done in about 40 countries, where only 2 supported Bush mainly.

It think it's pretty ironic that a world power like the USA is being run by someone that doesn't have world wide support.

"State of the union address is more entertaining when you can play the mispronunciation drinking game"

that is gold

We don't give a F**k what the rest of the world thinks. YOu're a bunch of lamos. Worry about your own countries and make them worth a crap, compared to the US. Bush won by an even greater margin this time. The mandate is we're sick of do-nothing, whiney, tax-money grubbing liberals.

"It think it's pretty ironic that a world power like the USA is being run by someone that doesn't have world wide support."

dave is here to help the world to better understand the mentality of the prototypical george bush supporter.

pay particular attention to this staggering irony: the internet is the biggest, most accessible repository of information the world has ever known, and yet the bush voter REFUSES to make use of it!

for example, google this: "internet al gore myth"
you get this: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm
and this: http://www.politechbot.com/p-01394.html
and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
and 46000 others.

now, the average intellectualy inclined person would probably be self-conscious about the risk of making a wild accusation, only to have it proven false. to that end, most of us would do a little research. most but not all, regrettably.

of course, it's always easier to turn on fox news for your daily briefing on the encroachment of eurasia... or was it eastasia? i don't suppose it matters. what's important is that you're under attack.

i'll continue to observe the specimen...

Note: I normally would delete dave's comments as they provide nothing but disinformation and hostility.. but, as noted above, he is such a wonderful example of the average troll.

That is not to say all Bush supporters are childish trolls with low intelligence, that's far from truth, but some of them certainly are, just as some liberals are.

I have to agree with Dave on the point of 'who cares what the rest of the world thinks?' Although he could said it with less inflammatory language - it doesn't change the heart of the issue. After all, Americans are the ones casting the votes, aren't they? I think Kerry supporters do themselves a disservice when they generalize all of President Bush supporters as slack-jaw yokels. The idea is to convince the majority of the country that your guy is the best guy for the job. Do you think by insulting the majority of the country now, that they'll respect your opinion in the future?

If Kerry supporters were indeed as smart as they claim, wouldn't they have realized earlier on that moral issues drive America's heartland and to ignore them instead of appeal to them would seal their fate?

> historically, the greatest artists and writers
> sprouted during economically depressive times

Last I checked the economy is doing well. Today was news that Jobless Claims took a big drop and productivity dropped as well. This could put more pressure on business to hire more.

> We won't have to compete with India for jobs ...

There is nothing that Kerry or anyone can really do to stop it. If a worker is being paid $60,000 here and $6,000 overseas, it goes a little deeper then cutting a few tax breaks or becoming a protectionist.

Plus India can't absorb them all anyway. Over 5 years the US will lose less than 5% of all US IT Jobs and most of those will be newly created jobs, so the net will be 0% growth at worse.

http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_title=Tech-Jobs-------Surprises-Ahead-&story_id=26571&category=techjobs

> I heard about a poll done in about 40
> countries, where only 2 supported Bush mainly.

I hate to agree with Dave here, but I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks. I pay my taxes for the govt. to protect the interests of the United States of America. If that conflicts with the world view, so be it. It is not that hard, with all the money that was flowing from Iraq to France, Germany and Russia to understand why they didn't want us there.

> of course, it's always easier to turn on fox
> news

Just to take my shots at other news stations, did anyone notice that Fox was the ONLY station to call Ohio? States like PA and WI were called even though the race in that state was closer. Why not Ohio even though it was clear for hours the race was over?

I've heard, the article might be in Newsweek, that the Kerry campaign called CNN, etc. after Fox called Ohio and told them not to do the same. Think about that, the Kerry campaign told the news stations not to report the news on who won the race and they followed him. (I still want to confirm that, but I can show other examples of Press leaning to the Left if needed.)

I have my (many) issues with Fox too, but the door swings both ways.

> He (Dave), ... is wonderful example of the
> average Bush supporter.

If you believe that, then you have some anger issues as well. Maybe you and Dave can take a class together.

Just because you don't agree with my support of Bush, doesn't make it nice to say that the average Bush person (or 'enough of us') has 'Low Intelligence', is 'Childish', or 'provides nothing but disinformation and hostility'.

I can find plenty of the same examples from the Left, but you don't see me lumping everyone who supports Kerry in that group.

>After all, Americans are the ones casting the votes, aren't they?

True, but when America is the most powerful nation in the world, and is currently VERY involved in action overseas (ahem, Iraq) it DOES matter what the rest of the world thinks. But we already know what Bush thinks of the UN and any concept of international accord.

i'll concede your point, pbw: dave doesn't represent all bush voters, but he does typify a large and vocal segment of that constituency. if you have legitimate reasons to support bush, that's fine, but you will have to accept the fact that dave's antics will colour the world's perception of bush's base.

on the subject of the world's opinion of the US: if it didn't matter, there would be no international terrorism. if you read the transcript of osama bin laden's last video, you'll see that he's very clear on his rationale and mocks bush's (frankly, ridiculous) notion that "they hate our freedom".

the iraq war and your support of israel can be expected to anger muslims. this is pretty intuitive. i don't excuse the behavior of terrorists, but it does help to understand their motives. both the kerry and bush camps got a lot of political mileage out of the deliberate obfuscation of the real causes of terrorism. both took advantage of the fear that this strategy created.

the fact is that terrorism has existed since the beginning of humanity, and as long as there has been terrorism, there have been politicians willing to use the fear it creates to manipulate their own constituency. case in point: the "indian wars".

Sorry to disagree with you Amber, the US doesn't set its policy to what the UN, France or any other country thinks. The US looks after its own interest in the same way France, England, etc. look after theirs. Just because the US is doing something in Iraq, it doesn't give the world a say in US policy. If the world wants to have a say in Iraq then get involved and help in the solution.

Sorry Rob, I know many Republicans (and Dems for that matter). NONE, from either group, act like Dave. If you (or anyone else) let your views of Republicans get colored by Trolls like Dave, that is on you. Again, I've seen plenty of 'bad' behavior from the other side (much worse then Dave’s) and I don't lump most Dems into that crowd or say that the Repubs are any better. Each side has their share of the extremes. For example, I could name quite a few stories of Environmental Terrorism.

Most people on either side are like myself with a Job, Wife, 2 Kids, etc. (i.e. Average People) who are trying to get through life and have a different point of view. Heck, most likely don’t agree with everything either party talks about. They just look at it as the lesser of two evils.

As for the rest, I think you missed the point or maybe I didn't explain it well enough. World REACTION should be taken into account in US policy. That is just smart diplomacy. However, in the end, US policy is not set by the world's public opinion. This seemed to be where others were going.

I’m not sure what to make of your point of ‘world's opinion of the US: if it didn't matter, there would be no international terrorism’. As you say, terrorism in some form has always been used way before the US existed. The US, being the only superpower, is always going to have someone mad at us for something.

And on a side note, I don't really believe that Dave believes half the stuff he says. He is just a troll who is trying really hard to push Kasia's Liberal buttons (and doing a good job, IMO). That's what trolls do.

pbw, you're absolutely right, dave is only an example of a bloody troll.

LOL, if you think I'm a troll then look again at kasia's post - it's a troll post. Liberals rise up again and continue whining. There's no talking sense to liberals - they just resort to pseudo-intellectualism, condescension, and personal attacks when backed into a corner, so might as well (try to) have fun with them. It's no wonder Democrats lost to Bush who had an all-time low approval rating - Democrats have nothing to offer but misery, whining, snobbery, guilt, etc. - it's a miserable and unproductive and spoiled-rotten way of life.

If you hate the current administration so much kasia, why don't you move back to Poland? Do you hate Poland even more? I mean, if you're sooo miserable, why continue to live that way? The US isn't going to change.

give us Dave's ip address.

I promised myself before the election to not discuss any aspect of it after the election, regerdless of the outcome, but promises, like New Year's Resolutions, are meant to be broken.

First off, I am a registered Independent, meaning I vote for who I believe would do a better job among the candidates. I voted for Kerry because I believed, and still do believe that he would do a better job than Bush. In that regard, I also voted for several Republicans as well as Democrats this time around as well.

Kerry, who believed that government should be run by more than a Bible, a bankroll, and a blindfold, was clearly a better choice for the job, but religious zealots came out in record numbers to vote for the man who believes he was "chosen" by God to run this country; a man who was appointed the Leader of the Free World by a Supreme Court that his father had installed.

Bush's record speaks for itself: worst economic turnaround ever by a President (+4.7 Trillion to -7.8 Trillion in 4 years), worst environmental President ever, worst social, domestic, and foreign policies by a President ever, carrying this country into a war that was un-called for and costly both financially and loss-of-life, and believes that his second-term is a "mandate" of the people (52.1% of the people, actually).

The definition of a true "American" is a person who would do what is best for their country, the people that live there, and the people elsewhere that they could help. Bush has done what is best for him, the 1% he considers his equals, and has done nothing but bring misery and dispair to those that live both here and abroad. That is a person I don't want as President. That is a person I refuse to recognize as President.

Call me what you will, it will not change my feelings nor his record.

Dave, all I can say is wait until you're job is sent overseas and a loved one is sent to and killed in Iraq, then tell us how you feel.

the US isn't a target because it's powerful, it's a target because it abuses that power. period.

the parts of the world that benefit from the presence of the us on the world stage are grateful for it. those that suffer the consequences of bull-in-a-china-shop US foreign policy get justifiably upset.

pbw, watch your contradictions: "I know many Republicans (and Dems for that matter). NONE, from either group, act like Dave." and "I've seen plenty of 'bad' behavior from the other side (much worse then Dave’s)..."

almost anyone who expresses a progressive view on the web, in print, or in public gets buried under a deluge of vitriol from people like dave. i'm not sure how you expect people to react to it, but it's rare (though obviously not unheard of) to encounter the same thing from "the other side".

the reason isn't that people on the right wing are necessarily inherently nutty, it's that the neoconservative effort requires the cultivation of that kind of attitude for its success, and attracts those people to its cause.

the rovian political machine depends on the holy trinity of fear, hatred and righteousness for its success, and though rational republicans might stick to their party for specific platform items, they are not the true strength of the party, not its true face. note that the republican party lost many "traditional" republicans to the kerry cause, and gained many zell miller-type democrats.

Being an independent is silly. You have to pick a party. Whatever candidate you vote for will have to largely tow the party line. Except Arnold of course. ARNOLD FOR PRESIDENT!

"Being an independent is silly. You have to pick a party."

I think George Washington would disagree...

Not today. He'd definitely be a Republican.

Hmm, two great presidents...
GW
GWB

'watch your contradictions'

I don't see what I said as contradicting myself. Having a different viewpoints is fine, it all comes down on how you express it.

Even Dave is a potential Buddha.